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Emo discussion
12-04-2013, 05:06 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-04-2013, 06:04 AM by mango.)
#21
RE: new emo / screamo bands
i get what you're trying to say, that some of these bands aren't emo in the traditional sense like Hour Of The Star, Hoover, Current...etc. this debate is as old as the hills, yes that is emo to me. however, bands like Rites Of Spring didn't even want to be associated with the term "emo" and you could pretty much call them an emotional punk band. there are different forms of emo, just like with bands in other genres that put their own spin on things. you say emo is emotive hardcore punk rock.... by whose standards? doesn't sound very definitive there. you also say that the Midwest bands have been playing the same old pop that has been around for ages. mind showing me some earlier bands? i'm sure Boys Life, Giants Chair, and Native Nod had something to do with shaping a different form of emo. maybe they're emotive hardcore indie rock perhaps? i jest.

either way the term emo by itself is terrible. its become a dirty word and the topics have been beaten to death. i was just trying to find some new bands that were enjoyable that had a noticeable emo influence there. not get in some petty argument about what is "real emo" or not. call it whatever you like, some of these bands coming out are worth listening to.

in that video you had a couple newer bands; are they also ignorant? i think not. so why not post bands that aren't ignorant by your standards. I don't really care about the new twinkly bands that are on top shelf and what not. so if someone could post something more along the lines of traditional hardcore emo that'd be great.
“Do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out.”
― G.K. Chesterton
12-04-2013, 06:21 AM,
#22
RE: new emo / screamo bands
It's what the bands and the fans called the music from the beginning. It was a popular term even in the 90s until mainstream destroyed the word.
Native Nod played emo, that has nothing to do with midwest or whatever.

You're not getting my point. The bands played a genre that has been around for ages so if you want examples than listen to anything from madonna to kiss.

This topic is kind of destroyed anyway except if it was renamed to something else. The idea is good. I'm not saying anything against the bands as such but it's misleading to say emo / screamo bands.

I haven't searched for any new bands because I like the 90s stuff so much and actually found some amazing stuff the past weeks but I'm sure that there are quite a lot. They are just very unpopular. Wits End is the only thing that comes to my mind.
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12-04-2013, 07:01 AM,
#23
RE: new emo / screamo bands
yes, Native Nod played emo, as did the other bands i mentioned. what does madonna or kiss have to do with this again? because surely you cant be insinuating that Boys Life and Giants Chair are straight pop. Are you going to compare Cap'n Jazz to U2 next? i love early 90s emo just as much as anyone. the type of emo you're talking about and the midwest style emo. Or should i just call it 'midwestmo'?. i hate using terms like that. so i'll stick to calling it emo, because it is, even if some of them have some catchy/poppy guitar riffs here and there.
“Do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out.”
― G.K. Chesterton
12-04-2013, 07:06 AM,
#24
RE: new emo / screamo bands
(12-04-2013, 07:01 AM)mango Wrote: yes, Native Nod played emo, as did the other bands i mentioned. what does madonna or kiss have to do with this again? because surely you cant be insinuating that Boys Life and Giants Chair are straight pop. Are you going to compare Cap'n Jazz to U2 next? i love early 90s emo just as much as anyone. the type of emo you're talking about and the midwest style emo. Or should i just call it 'midwestmo'?. i hate using terms like that. so i'll stick to calling it emo, because it is, even if some of them have some catchy/poppy guitar riffs here and there.

Midwest emo is not even hardcore punk rock.

You can't call it emo if it's not emo, it's as simple as that. If a band would play pop rock like Burns Out Bright, you can't just call it midwest emo, that would make no sense and it would render the use of genres useless.
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12-04-2013, 07:23 AM,
#25
RE: new emo / screamo bands
"Midwest emo is not even hardcore punk rock." of course it isnt, its Midwest emo. hardcore punk rock is another issue. B) i don't know about Burns Our Bright, but i dont like the sound of 'pop rock' is that something like Kelly Clarkson? O.O
“Do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out.”
― G.K. Chesterton
12-04-2013, 07:33 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-04-2013, 07:42 AM by SCREAMiNGRAiNBOWS.)
#26
RE: new emo / screamo bands
When we get "specific" with Emo, I definitely agree that true Emo is the emotional Hardcore Punk but I definitely feel that a lot of the other "Emo" bands are still Emotive bands, but maybe Emotive Pop Punk instead. I don't know, I guess I generally enjoy Emo so much that I like the Pop stuff as well as the Hardcore stuff, so it's easier for me to call it all Emo. I definitely understand your point, if they aren't "Hardcore Punk" then they aren't Emo or Screamo, but I feel like a band can specifically be a genre they are influenced by but still be inspired by other genres as well, I feel that is the Art of music.

I feel like calling Emo influenced bands Pop is totally wrong; they are definitely more Rock than they are Pop because when I think of Pop, I think of Lady Gaga and bands like Thursday or Sunny Day Real Estate definitely do not sound like her or Madonna. If we could combine blink-182 + Rites of Spring together we would get the "other" Emo bands, reason why I call it Emo Pop. Emo Pop being the subgenre to Emo just like Screamo is the subgenre to Emo. Adding Pop to Emo would be a subgenre just like adding Post to Black Metal is a subgenre to Black Metal, but combining two genres together. Emo is already a subgenre to Hardcore Punk but when using Emo as the definite genre, I feel it is totally necessary.

Pop Rock is like Avril Lavigne. Pop is like Lady Gaga. Pop Punk is like blink-182.

... that was confusing. But somehow, makes sense to me.

There are still a lot of old and new 90's Screamo oriented bands that continue to release albums like Caravels, Calculator, Brain Fever, Gillian Carter, Kite Runner, Locktender, Native, Roanoke, Sed Non Satiata, Twin Cities, Righteous Cycles, We Were Skeletons, The Saddest Landscape, and maybe even State Faults new album, they have a more hardcore feel to them now than they did with their first album.

P.S. I feel like I totally contradicted myself with the whole Emo Pop thing, but I mean it as in Pop Punk.
"We speak in tongues to taste something, like a new way to feel again.
My mouth, lips locked in motion, as they riot and spill.
In language we retreat straight back, like lies through history.
Pronounced our past of self defeat, so clearly."


- Bright Calm Blue
12-04-2013, 07:44 AM,
#27
RE: new emo / screamo bands
good post SCREAMiNGRAiNBOWS "but I feel like a band can specifically be a genre they are influenced by but still be inspired by other genres as well, I feel that is the Art of music." you hit the nail on the head!
"Pop Rock is like Avril Lavigne. Pop is like Lady Gaga. Pop Punk is like blink-182."
don't want to render those genres useless!
“Do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out.”
― G.K. Chesterton
12-04-2013, 08:02 AM,
#28
RE: new emo / screamo bands
Bird Calls


12-04-2013, 09:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-04-2013, 10:05 AM by SCREAMiNGRAiNBOWS.)
#29
RE: new emo / screamo bands
Sv3rige, I watched the "Music" video and I would say that I agree with the majority of the genre labeling. I will explain what I mean by "majority" in just a second, first I want to say this: I don't mean to offend you at all with the whole "Emo" thing and I could totally understand from what I said, why it would be offensive to you. What I mean by that is, I feel the EXACT same way about Screamo as you do Emo and when people try to throw bands like Asking Alexandria into my genre, Screamo, it totally irritates me because that is NOT Screamo. When people are throwing artists like American Football into Emo, I imagine you must feel the same way. Do I know what people should call this other wave of "Emo," the Midwest Emo? No, I don't. But, I have explained that I do agree that it isn't true to the Emo genre but I feel like for the most part, it is influenced by Emo in some sense. So, first and foremost, I hope that with everything that was said, my point of views were saw but my understanding for the genre Emo is also understood.

When I say that I agree with the "majority" of the genre labeling, I feel differently about Post-Hardcore. When I think of "Post" genres, I think of two genres combined.

Asking Alexandria = Post-Hardcore = Pop Punk + Hardcore Punk Rock

Deafheaven = Post-Black Metal = Shoegaze + Black Metal or Post-Rock + Black Metal

When people put "Post" in front of a genre, I feel like it is that particular genre being combined with offshoot genres that also inspire the artist. Just because an artists sings, I don't feel like it should make them a Pop artist. Could the singing bring a sense of Pop? Yes, but I feel like a band could still be Hardcore Punk and Pop at the same time i.e. Alexisonfire, Underoath, We Came As Romans, etc. A lot of these bands have the ability to be strictly Metal or Hardcore bands but because of their singing, it adds Pop to the mix, creating a genre like Post-Hardcore.

I don't know how I feel about the Illuminati thing ... things that resemble a sense of religion, I tend to not get involved with. I just ignore it or deal with it, I guess. And besides, I LOVE almost every genre of music. Screamo is my favorite genre because, like you said, it is very passionate but I love Pop music, Indie Rock, old Country, old R&B, etc.

Just thought I'd let you know that I watched the video, well, the majority of it.

P.S. What did you mean by those Post-Hardcore/Popcore bands "highly promote homosexuality?"
"We speak in tongues to taste something, like a new way to feel again.
My mouth, lips locked in motion, as they riot and spill.
In language we retreat straight back, like lies through history.
Pronounced our past of self defeat, so clearly."


- Bright Calm Blue
12-04-2013, 11:08 AM,
#30
RE: new emo / screamo bands
sv3rige. we realize that the word emo literally means "emotive hardcore punk". yes, the genre started out as emotive hardcore punk. throughout the couple of decades since emotional hardcore punk people have started calling things that aren't exactly hardcore punk by the term "emo". emo is now used to describe a lot more music than strictly "emotive hardcore punk rock". yes, the original emo was emotive hardcore. no, emotive hardcore is not the only thing being called emo nowadays.


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